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OU’s basketball attendance is higher than OSU’s

Photo Attribution: US Presswire

Photo Attribution: US Presswire

Welp, here you go.

Some statistical evidence that we aren’t any better than OU fans.

In fact we’re worse.

Here’s the average number of attendees at each home game for Big 12 teams so far this year (as a % of capacity in parentheses).

Kansas – 16,507 (103%)
Kansas State – 12,567 (100%)
Iowa State – 12,999 (91%)
Texas – 12,808 (77%)
OU – 8,911 (74%)
Baylor – 6,750 (66%)
OSU – 8,832 (65%)
West Virginia – 8,999 (64%)
TCU – 4,376 (61%)
Texas Tech – 7,476 (50%)

Yes, I understand that reported attendance numbers are inflated and probably not accurate (Kansas State isn’t selling out all of their games). But I’d say they’re inflated across the board (when’s the last time you saw 8K at an OSU game?)

I’m not whining and moaning about people not showing up, I think we’re past that, just providing statistical evidence to what you guys don’t want to believe — that our basketball fan base is pretty pathetic right now.

  • Kyle

    It comes down to cost. You can get a ticket to OU game for $10, or $5 if ages 2-12. You are lucky if you can get one to an OSU game for less than $30.

    • gustavee

      Ding, ding, ding winner. When is OSU going to realize that filled free seats (in any sport) are much more valuable than empty/unsold seats?

      If I were the head of OSU marketing I would give away a car (yes I know about the scooters) to students at each home game. It could be a cheap car, orange of course, with OSU logos, and student tickets would be free, first come first served.

      Something tells me we would have a full house.

      20 games x $10K per car = $200K per season. Don’t you think 20 capacity home games would matter? A NCAA tournament invite is worth $1M+.

      Or we could just go the cheaper route and sell beer at home games.

    • David

      +1

    • dooley

      When the cost is high accompanied by a mediocre product, it is easy to see why attendance is where it is. Smart is worth the price of admission, but for college students without money it isn’t a question of worth.

      • dooley

        And not just students, families on a budget.

  • David

    I agree that Value (what you get vs what you pay) is the number 1 problem, but you also have to consider geography. Given all other equal conditions, OSU is always going to be at a disadvantage compared to OU considering their proximities to major metro areas. For football games the time spent driving is proportionally much less compared to the time at the game/in town (tailgating, etc). This makes a drive from OKC/Tulsa “worth it.” For basketball games, though, a 2-3 hour round trip for a ~2 hour game may not seem “worth it.”

    Of course the exception to the rule is when you have a really hot team that everyone wants to watch (see Eddie Sutton era). Then the drive becomes less important. But it is definitely a factor for average (or worse) teams like we’ve had the last few years.

  • Aaron Snith

    So Yugos actually cost $10K? don,t think students tickets should be free, but more reasonably priced would be appropriate. As for $10 tickets for kids, only if you had a family only zone. The last time I was at a game and the couple behind me had a little girl she kicked me until she spit up all over my shoulder. Boy was I irate. I had driven in from Lawton and had to wear the cloths back to my cousins. took some time to get the smell out of the car.

    We must come up with a good way to increase the crowds so that we can improve the support to the team. Oh by the way having a better team may not be the answer. What is the attendance at the Cowgirl games? They are ranked in the top 25 I think.

  • Nate

    These numbers don’t mean sh** about “better fans” and you know it. Keep on trolling…

    Its all about the product. OU is exceeding expectations this year and we are underachieving. Ain’t rocket science

    • http://pistolsfiringblog.com Kyle Porter

      So it’s partly about product and partly about expectations…or so you just said.

    • Matt

      This is Kyle Porters blog. That you are reading and leaving angry comments on. And you’re saying HE’S trolling!? Maybe look up what that means.

  • http://@recruiterKiel Kiel

    I bet their fans at least wear their team colors.. sure love seeing the blues, neon Greens and magenta in the student section… Wear orange

    • dooley

      At this point, if they came to the game and cheered, I don’t really care what they’re wearing (as long as they are cheering for osu). We have plenty of Orange in the empty seats. Once those seats are filled…have at ‘em

  • http://twitter.com/McGraw23 Jack M. (@McGraw23)

    If OSU gave a turn at the “Punch Nate Booth” during halftime with each ticket purchase, we’d see an immediate increase in numbers…

    • http://gravatar.com/rwhetsell62 @mfc_crff

      Now that’s funny right there…

  • Chris

    Thursday morning I looked into going to one of the upcoming Wednesday night games. Granted they’re decent games, but the cheapest ticket was $33.50 for the top row. I thought it’d be fun to take my wife and two little girls, but we’re looking at $130 before you add in gas from Tulsa, food, drinks, etc. It’d be cheaper to buy a new 32″ TV to watch it on.

  • Matt

    Why are they in order of percent capacity? Wouldn’t that only matter for the ones at full capacity?

  • Matt

    And to the students who want to go to the games but don’t want to pay, follow Matt Fletcher. That’s not me btw.

  • Sean

    I would like to see those numbers as a percent of student population.

  • Lon

    My thought they should give away free tuition for the semester to say 20 students. To qualify, you would have to attend all the home games! If they had their ticket validated they attended every home game they are eligible for the drawing. Just a thought.

  • Walter Sobchak

    Don’t know if I’ve seen it mentioned here, but what ways could we look at the success of the football program bringing down attendance in basketball?

    It seems like most years we were excited to get to basketball season, as we consistently won 4-8 games in football. Where does the most money comes from in college sports: football. It’s because people care about football so much more (and to quote Scott Evil, “on the whole”).

    If we are excited about our football team (read: not apathetic), it takes away the, “Well at least we have basketball to get excited about!” for the casual fan/student.

    I grew up in Dallas my whole life and never went to an OSU sporting event. I didn’t even consider OSU until I heard about a degree program that only OSU had and was tops in the world. I was lucky enough to go to well over 200 Mavericks games growing up because my best friend ($$$$$ dad) had season tickets for his entire childhood. I like basketball. I like watching it in person. I’m fairly knowledgeable. But holy god do I love football.

    I got to OSU in fall of 2004. We were mediocre in football. I went to GIA and it was a raucous crowd and atmosphere. We had a team that just got back from the Final Four. We were pumped because we were winning. We also had plenty of energy because most douche bags left the football games at half time. They didn’t spend their OSU rooting energy on football because, why bother? We were probably going to be around .500 so why bother showing up or cheering loud?

    This is the problem, in my humble opinion of course, with basketball. What solved the issue for football? An excited coach who had the entire faculty and student body backing him up, and a billionaire.

    Oh yeah.

    Consistent improvement.

    And Winning.

    Someone said it earlier: Win consistently and the fans will show up. Plenty of people are pissed because kids aren’t showing up. I don’t blame them. Most people in this country and especially in Oklahoma/Texas are football people. Basketball is fun, but only when the team is winning and there isn’t football being played.

    Solutions:
    1) Start winning. We apparently have the talent (I’m in Romania, have only seen low quality replays of some games. Conversely, I would stay up until 3:20 am – the starting time – to watch every football game this year.) but it doesn’t appear to be getting translated into wins. If a true high-level athlete needs a coach to motivate them, they don’t have what it takes to succeed. Sure, some coaches bring out the best in players more than others, but the idea that kids aren’t playing hard because of the coach, or the lack of fans, is suspect to me. The kids are the ones that have to look themselves in the mirror and play hard because it’s their job – a volunteer job, but a job nonetheless. If a basketball player doesn’t play as hard because people didn’t PAY to show up to watch him then he’s not the guy you want.

    (Notice that my solutions only have one point – win.)

    In football we literally did EVERYTHING possible to start winning. “EVERYTHING” in this day is defined mostly as Money.

    So – it’s simple. The only solution to the problem is winning on the court (and possibly sucking at football, but that’s not something I want to sacrifice).

    In a perfect world you could have a Top Football and Top Basketball program, but most university’s do not. Those that DO, don’t stay that way forever.

    Which would YOU rather have? Sign me up for the Crystal Ball.

    tl;dr – Football success keeps mildly-interested fans at home instead of watching an average/above-average team live. Casual fans show up when they think their team can win. Prove you can win and the fans will come.

  • RyanO

    I grew up in Stillwater and went to 90% of the home games from 1990-2007. My father had season tickets from 1989-2009. We saw some major highs and, unfortunately major lows. We were lucky enough to witness every home game of the ’95 and ’04 final four teams and many more Sweet Sixteen/Elite Eight squads in between.

    While in Stillwater, my friends and I would go to most all of the football games, not to view the product on the field, but to rather partake in a social gathering, b/c as most of you know OSU football during the 90’s was about as bad as it gets. Nothing that took place during the fall mattered b/c in December when GIA opened up my father and I knew we had a hell of a team to watch.

    As the years passed and we stumbled from Eddie to Sean and now to Ford, my dad finally had enough. He discontinued his season tickets. Last season was the first time in 25 years I didn’t go to a home game. I wanted to blame me living in Tulsa and not having tickets the reason I didn’t come but the main factor was the poor quality of product we were producing. It was a hard pill to swallow, but hey, we could now hang our hats on Gundy and Co. doing the winning for us.

    I have been to 6 home games this season because, as someone said earlier, Marcus Smart is worth the price of admission alone and I don’t know if he will be back next year. Oklahoma State basketball is my first true love (narrowly beating out Winnie Cooper and Kelly Kapowski) and I can only reminisce about how the good ole days felt but can sure hope for brighter days ahead. OSU must do something about ticket prices to drive people to the seats. We have a very talented squad capable of winning a lot of games. We, as fans, just have to be there to support them.

  • http://gravatar.com/rwhetsell62 @mfc_crff

    I want to know “actual” attendance. Many of these numbers are like what I used to see at the Carrier Dome for ‘Cuse games. Announced attendance would be 20k, but it would be obvious that your were lucky if it was 15k. How many “ghosts” are in attendance?