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Daily Bullets (Nov. 7): Is Chuba the Third-Best OSU Running Back?, Cade Cunningham’s Effect on the Fan Base



This overlapping window of basketball and football is a lot of fun – lots of OSU sports to consume. 

Bullets Rundown

• Efficiency numbers have OSU defense over the offense
• Cunningham’s effect on the fan base
• Chuba the third-best back at OSU?


• MBB: Cowboys 80, ORU 75

OSU Bullets

• The 2019 Cowboys are an unusual breed for Mike Gundy’s career – defensively sound and offensively unspectacular from an efficiency perspective.

OSU has the ninth-best offense in the Big 12, using conference games and scoring efficiency. Ninth. The school of Zac Robinson and Brandon Weeden and Mason Rudolph has not maintained its offensive status in the first year of the Spencer Sanders era. And that’s OK. A learning curve is to be expected, and OSU has been much better than its last offense-rebuilding season of 2014. [NewsOK]

What a great point – this offense is much more capable than the 2014 offense and that’s who they should be compared to.

• Boone looks more at the effects of signing Cade Cunningham – particularly on the fan base.

With the posting of a minute-long Instagram commitment video Tuesday evening, (Cunningham)’s given a program a new ceiling. Oklahoma State’s program has hope. It has promise.

For the first time in awhile, there’s palpable buzz about town about Oklahoma State basketball and not Oklahoma State football. It feels weird. For a lot of people, it probably feels like the 90s. Or if you’ve been an OSU fan longer than that, it probably feels like any era of Oklahoma State athletics. [PFB]

The last time you felt buzz about both programs may have been a decade ago – 2009 when Travis Ford looked like the answer and Zac Robinson was carving up defenses. But in this case, Mike Boynton looks like the golden goose and Cunningham is the golden egg that validates him.

• Bill Haisten looks at Chuba Hubbard’s place in the OSU pantheon of running backs – and he lands at a third-place finish with a possible tie with Terry Miller.

With four games remaining on the 2019 schedule, Hubbard leads the nation with 1,604 yards. On a single-season basis, he already has become the most prolific of all Mike Gundy-coached running backs. In 2008, Kendall Hunter ran for 1,555 yards in 13 games.

As the 2019 Cowboys are guaranteed a 13th game in a bowl, Hubbard is on pace for what would be a Big 12-record 2,317 yards. It would be the fifth-best total in major-college football history — and still more than 500 yards below Sanders’ 1988 total. [TulsaWorld]

I don’t think it’ll be argued much that Hubbard is Gundy’s best running back, but I’m sure there will be plenty of debate on Terry Miller/Earnest Anderson/Chuba Hubbard breakdowns.

Marshall’s five-thoughts from last night’s win over ORU

• Fascinated by this ESPN (In$ider) 2021 mock draft that has Cade Cunningham at No. 1 and Isaac Likekele at No. 40 (early second rounder)

• “We want Bryce! We want Bryce!”

Non-OSU Bullets

• The Untold Story of the Secret Mission to Seize Nazi Map Data
This faith-based read resonated on when I don’t want to read the Bible

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  1. Chris Jones

    November 7 at 1:24 pm

    2009 and Zac Robinson carving up defenses…You and I remember 2009 very differently.

    • Big Daddy

      November 7 at 1:25 pm

      Before the Tech game !

      • Chris Jones

        November 7 at 1:51 pm

        Man I don’t know. 2009 before the Tech game was only like 15 yards per game better than 2014. And either 2014 wasn’t as bad as I remember or 2009 was just as bad offensively as I remember.

  2. TeaTown Cowboy

    November 7 at 1:24 pm

    @Steven Mandeville I recommend you read “Operation Paperclip” by Annie Jacobsen for a huge eye opener about our dealing with the Nazis. How we brought over mass murderers and other war criminals in order to further space and missile development, as well as making sarin and other types of nerve gasses.

  3. TeaTown Cowboy

    November 7 at 1:24 pm

    “I don’t think it’ll be argued much that Hubbard is Gundy’s best running back, but I’m sure there will be plenty of debate on Terry Miller/Earnest Anderson/Chuba Hubbard breakdowns.” — Once again Thurman Thomas gets left out. Are you insane, Steven or whoever wrote that? No one in their right mind’s taking Plug, Earnest Anderson over Thurmas. Two 1,600-yard seasons sandwiched by a knee injury that took him out of likely three 1,600 yarders. Man was great in his own right and a really cool dude. We should’ve thrown him a LOT more passes than 20 per season. Anyway, carry on! 🙂

    • Logan Roy

      November 7 at 1:26 pm

      Thurman Thomas wasn’t left out, from the Haisten article, “As they were dynamic Cowboys who now are members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Sanders and former teammate Thurman Thomas are the Nos. 1 and 2 running backs, respectively, in Oklahoma State history.”

      The question is where does Hubbard land, 3rd or lower.

      • OrangeTuono

        November 7 at 1:54 pm


      • ssbn599

        November 7 at 1:50 pm

        I’m a Barry Sanders fan, like all Pokes, but I love Thurman Thomas, who stuck around for a full college career at OSU.

    • David

      November 7 at 1:27 pm

      Maybe read that again. I think it implies 1. Barry, 2. Thurman, 3. Chuba/Miller/Anderson.

      • Steven M

        November 7 at 1:51 pm

        Definitely the case – thanks for clarifying for me. Barry – Thurm – Chuba in the convo for third.

    • Chris Putnam

      November 7 at 1:29 pm

      Thurman caught 78 passes at OSU, which was a lot for that era.

      • TeaTown Cowboy

        November 7 at 1:50 pm

        20 per season. He is one of the best RB receivers in the NFL of all time. We should’ve used him more in that phase was my point.

  4. Zombie Willham

    November 7 at 1:24 pm

    Seems like just last season, PFB was pimping Justice Hill as the second best running back in OSU history. Now there’s not even a single mention. Weird.

    For my take,
    1. Barry
    2. Thurman
    3. Terry Miller
    4. Ernest Anderson
    5. Kendall Hunter

    I never really watched Gerald Hudson play, so I don’t know where I’d place him, but I watched my first five a lot.

    I give Hubbard a TBD. He’s doing great so far, and he’s trending awesome, but the race has barely started.

  5. richard kennedy

    November 7 at 1:25 pm

    “2014 offense and that’s who they should be compared to.”

    Pray tell, why should this years offense be compared to the 2014 Offense that started the year with JW Walsh as the starting QB and finished it with Mason Rudolph?

    Chuba Hubbard = Desmond Roland????

    Gleeson’s 1st season some how = Yurcich’s 2nd?

  6. richard kennedy

    November 7 at 1:26 pm

    Unlike with some of the Deep State A Clowns that are in the Intelligence Community today, Hough and his team were Intel-studs… except for Smitty. She was a Intel-studess.

    • Steven M

      November 7 at 1:50 pm

      Good heavens, what’s going on here? The 2014 comment kind of made sense but I’m not sure what this was about. 2014 vs. 2019 is about rebuilding years/breaking in a quarterback.

      • richard kennedy

        November 7 at 1:53 pm

        HINT: Follow the links you provided. (“The untold story… “) Read! It can be educational.

        There have been many years that we’ve “rebuilt” and broke in new QB’s. I fail to see any special parallel between the 2014 Offense and this one. We rebuilt and broke in a new QB last year too.

        • richard kennedy

          November 7 at 1:53 pm

          Provide a link to an article that you didn’t even read?

  7. OKstate Grad

    November 7 at 1:27 pm

    Sam Mayes had himself a day yesterday.

    •Tells OSU how mediocre they are for not making a big deal about Cade’s commitment, while somehow having no earthly idea that there’s a common rule that prevents that.
    •After getting called out for being an idiot, he goes on a long rant about it (that makes no sense and involves a weird unrelated story about a boy who loves a girl back home) and in his rant says that he “knows how recruiting works” because he “lived it”. Basically, he thinks he knows 2019 basketball recruiting because he played college football 16 years ago. Which is hilarious because he didn’t know the most basic rule about recruiting.
    •Says he had no clue who Zion Williamson was before Duke. Might be the only Sports media person in the United States who didn’t know who Zion Williamson was.
    •He thought Marcus smart and Jameson Curry we’re recruited together, and used that in his argument rather confidently. 🤦‍♂️
    •He goes after people like Larry Reece for making him look dumb, and then gets mad at other OSU fans for defending Larry over him, who is held to a stature that’s about 10,000 miles above Sam’s here at OSU. He then gets mad when people point out how wrong and outlandish his comments are. The guy is a 🤡.

    • PokeNBeans

      November 7 at 1:53 pm

      Would have looked a lot less foolish by just saying,”My bad, forgot about that rule.”

    • CowboyBuckeye

      November 7 at 1:54 pm

      Live look at Sam when OSU fans don’t defend his stupidity

    • Tbeezy

      November 7 at 1:53 pm

      Sam Mayes blocked me on twitter.

      Me and friend were just discussing him general. Not even tagging him… He was searching his name on Twitter and blocking annoying who had a different opinion than him.

      It’s sad how he’s choosen to sellout and alienate himself from OSU so the Sooner fans will tune into his show.

    • Tbeezy

      November 7 at 1:51 pm

      The Zion thing is almost unbelievable. Anyone with a twitter or instagram who cares 2 farts about basketball knew about Zion, he was doing crazy dunks at like 15 or 16 years old.

      If you pay attention at all you knew about Duke’s legendary 2018 recruiting class that included Barrett, Zion, and Reddish who were all top 10 across multiple recruiting services (1, 2, and 3 by ESPN) and Tre Jones who was another 25 guy.

      But it’s Sam Mayes.. So that makes sense.

      • OKstate Grad

        November 7 at 1:52 pm

        It’s amazing the things that guy says and gets away with. No clue how he knows so little about the career field that he covers. It’d be like a knee doctor who doesn’t know what a meniscus is.😂

    • kspokesfan

      November 7 at 1:27 pm

      Just because someone is a clown, you shouldn’t always point it out. But in this case…. This guy should STFU and disappear from the sports world. What a clown!!

    • Mullet Power

      November 7 at 1:27 pm

      Pat Jones and Traber both are almost as equally infuriating to listen to on the radio. Traber, Sam and Pat – all try to cater to the masses and constantly shower praise on OU and dismiss any success that OSU achieves.

      Pat has a lot of real life coaching experiences to fall back on and some of stories are very interesting (college and pro) – but jesus, give a little credit to what Gundy has built once in a while. He never fails to be the OSU-pessimist

      • davids

        November 7 at 1:53 pm

        Traber is an egomaniac. He thinks people can’t stand the truth. His truth is based on his opinions and vague observations. However, his love for the Steelers has made great banter about Baker Mayfield.

      • OKstate Grad

        November 7 at 1:51 pm

        Traber and Jones are both annoying in their own right, but at least they typically know their stuff. They have outlandish opinions on things, but they know general rules and occurrences. Sam has no earthly idea. He acted like he was the expert of recruiting, but didn’t know the rules of recruiting 101. He thought Mike Holder was OSU’s golf coach and blamed him for “coaching poorly” when OSU didn’t win the title last year (that one was my favorite one). Didn’t know who Zion Williamson was, didn’t know who Brooks Koepka was, the list goes on. It’s bad enough that he has no clue about these mainstream sports topics and he’s a sports media guy, but what makes it worse is he’s clueless and attacks other people based off of his cluelessness.

  8. Tbeezy

    November 7 at 1:27 pm

    Not sure where to post this but I just read Kiper’s new big board..

    Has Chuba the 6th best RB… Tylan wasn’t even his top 10 WRs!?

    • Lee

      November 7 at 1:53 pm

      Kiber and the rest of the east coast “experts” have no clue on anything east of the Mississippi. I remember Sanders in 1988 when they had to give Barry the Heisman because his numbers were so far beyond anyone else that there was no room for arguing. It might take 3000 yards by Chubba before those clowns get a clue. He is 400 yards beyond any other RB and they still don’t have him on their “expert list.” What a bunch of bs.

    • TeaTown Cowboy

      November 7 at 1:50 pm

      Kiper’s the biggest idiot out there.

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